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MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION SUBJECT:
SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
PARTICIPANTS: President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
Notetakers: The White House Situation Room
DATE, TIME AND PLACE: July 25, 2019, 9:03 - 9:33 a.m. EDT Residence
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The President: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the United States and you did a terrific job. The way yo
u came from behind, -somebody who wasn't given much of a chance, and you ended up winning easily. It's a fantastic achievement.
President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right Mr. President. We did win big and we worked hard for this. We worked a lot but I
would like to confess to you that I had an opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your skills and knowledge and
were able to use it as an example for our elections -and yes it is true that these were unique elections. We were in a unique s
ituation that we were able to achieve a unique success. I'm able to tell you the following; the first time, you· called me to c
ongratulate me when I won my presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my party won the parliament
ary election. I think I should run more often so you can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often.
The President: [laughter] That's a very good idea. I think your country is very happy about that.
President Zelenskyy: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in o
ur country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a
new format and a new type of government. You are a great teacher for us and in that.
The President: Well it’s·very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a
lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does al
most nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it's something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking
to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she doesn't do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think i
t's something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal
necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.
President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right not only 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did tal
k to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her. I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as
much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as m
uch as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner
but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you for that becaus
e the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sa
nctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We. are r
eady to continue to cooperate for the next steps. Specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States
The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot abo
ut it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike. I guess you ha
ve one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There-are a lot of things that went on, the whole situati
on. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or you
r people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you said yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor per
formance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you
can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it
is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations betwe
en the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced b
y a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I
would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can coope
rate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping
very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assu
re you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most ex
ed people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our countr
y so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that invest
igation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly. That I can assur
The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot
of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved.
Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I w
ill ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If
you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the peop
le she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, there’s a lot of tal
k about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do
with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it
. It so
unds horrible to me.
President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all I understand arid I'm knowledgeable about the situ
ation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament; the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candid
ate, who will be approved by the parliament and will start. As a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look. into the sit
uation, specifically to the company that you -mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually t
he issue of making sure to resolve the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case. On
top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to us, it would be very helpful
for the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country. With regard to the Ambassador to the United Stat
es from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovicli. It was great that you were the first one. who told me that she was
a bad a
mbassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President an
d she was on his· side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.
The President: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to hav
e Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was t
reated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and bette
r I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.
President Zelenskyy: I would like to tell you that I also have quite a few·Ukrainian friends that live in the United States. Ac
tually last time I traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park and I stayed at the Trump Tower. I wil
l talk to them and I hope to see them· again in the future. I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the United
States, specifically Washington DC. On the other hand, I also wanted to ensure ·you that we will be very serious about the case
and will work on the investigation. As to the economy, there is much potential for our two countries and one of the issues tha
t is very important for Ukraine is energy independence. I believe we can be very successful. and cooperating on energy independ
ence with United States. We are already working on cooperation. We are buying American oil but I am very hopeful for a future m
eeting. We will have more time and more opportunities to discuss these opportunities and get to know each other better. I would
o thank you very much for your support.
The President: Good. Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank
you. Whenever you would like to come to the White House, feel ·free to call. Give us a date and we'll work that out. I look fo
rward to seeing you.
President ·Zelenskyy: Thank ·you very much. I would be very happy to come and would be happy to meet with you personally and ge
t to know you better. I am looking forward to our meeting and I also would like to invite you to visit Ukraine and come to the
city bf Kyiv which is a beautiful city. We have a beautiful country which would welcome you. On the other hand, I believe that
on September 1 we will be in Poland and we can meet in Poland hopefully. After that it might be a very good idea for you to tra
vel to Ukraine. We can either take my plane and go to Ukraine or we can take your plane, which is probably much better than min
The President: Okay, we can work that out. I look forward to seeing you in Washington and maybe in Poland because I think we ar
e going to be there at that time.
President · Zelenskyy: Thank you very much Mr. President.
The President: Congratulations on a fantastic job you've done. The whole world was watching. I'm not sure it was so much of an
upset but congratulations.
President Zelenskyy: Thank you Mr. President bye-bye.
End of Conversation