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[41]TSA Expands Controversial Facial Recognition Program [42](cbsnews.com)
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Posted by [44]BeauHD on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @06:00AM from the
smile-you're-on-camera dept.
[45]SonicSpike shares a report from CBS News: As possible
record-setting crowds fill airports nationwide, passengers may
encounter new technology at the security line. At 25 airports in the
U.S. and Puerto Rico, the TSA is [46]expanding a controversial digital
identification program that uses facial recognition. This comes as the
TSA and other divisions of Homeland Security are under pressure from
lawmakers to update technology and cybersecurity. "We view this as
better for security, much more efficient, because the image capture is
fast and you'll save several seconds, if not a minute," said TSA
Administrator David Pekoske.
At the world's busiest airport in Atlanta, the TSA checkpoint uses a
facial recognition camera system to compare a flyer's face to the
picture on their ID in seconds. If there's not a match, the TSA officer
is alerted for further review. "Facial recognition, first and foremost,
is much, much more accurate," Pekoske said. "And we've tested this
extensively. So we know that it brings the accuracy level close to 100%
from mid-80% with just a human looking at a facial match." The program
has been rolled out to more than two dozen airports nationwide since
2020 and the TSA plans to add the technology, which is currently
voluntary for flyers, to at least three more airports by the end of the
year. There are skeptics. Five U.S. senators sent a letter demanding
that TSA halt the program.
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[77]Republicans want to reduce spending ([78]Score:5, Insightful)
by [79]quonset [80]( 4839537 ) writes: on Wednesday June 07, 2023
@06:25AM ([81]#63582784)
Here you go. A perfect example of where billions can be cut. An
unnecessary, bloated government program which serves no useful
purpose. Even their own inspectors admit the TSA misses up to 95%
of all fake bombs and explosives used in test scenarios.
Last I heard, a 95% failure rate is just that. A failure.
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by [90]christoban [91]( 3028573 ) writes:
From the story:
" 'So we know that it brings the accuracy level close to 100%
from mid-80% with just a human looking at a facial match.' "
So we can much better find an ID mismatch. But that does not
help with the psychological part of screening: looking for
fidgety, unusual acting people, asking questions, which has
proved very effective at finding drug traffickers.
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[92]Re: ([93]Score:3)
by [94]Entrope [95]( 68843 ) writes:
This kind of system always has two types of errors: type
I (false positive, in this case accepting a wrong face as
belonging to the identity) and type II (false negative,
in this case rejecting the real person's face as a
match). Most of the easy ways to reduce the rate of
either error type increase the other. Giving only one
error rate hides the important differences between these
two kinds of errors and how that trade-off is being
handled.
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by [98]groobly [99]( 6155920 ) writes:
People making this statement are idiots with no
science background. Just another symptom of
kakistocracy.
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[100]Re: ([101]Score:1)
by [102]christoban [103]( 3028573 ) writes:
I see. Well, perhaps they're using AI and it's real.
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[105]How does this not help? ([106]Score:1)
by [107]SuperKendall [108]( 25149 ) writes:
So we can much better find an ID mismatch. But that does
not help with the psychological part of screening:
looking for fidgety, unusual acting people,
Why not? It seems like in fact AI would be much better at
this, because it can monitor every person every second
they are in the airport.
asking questions
Let's say for a second it can't do that even though
eventually it will, all that has to happen is the AI
calls out a person for review by an agent using the same
flagging as if the ID did not match, then the
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[109]Re: ([110]Score:2)
by [111]gtall [112]( 79522 ) writes:
The TSA is using facial recognition on bombs and explosives?
Those bastards!!
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[113]Re: ([114]Score:2, Insightful)
by [115]Inglix the Mad [116]( 576601 ) writes:
The same Republicans who (performatively) complain about
surveillance and yet magically vote for surveillance every
single time? To be fair they only want the plebes under
surveillance. They also have their status as legislators to
get them by security.
Ron "I love surveillance if it's targeting plebes" Johnson,
and many other Republicans, will gladly scream "SOFFF ON
TERRIR!!!" at opponents who want to reign in government
surveillance and security theater. After all they know 99% of
their base, despite b
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[117]Re: ([118]Score:1)
by [119]christoban [120]( 3028573 ) writes:
You have been watching too much MSNBC. "Damn
Republicans!" is not the answer to every question. Most.
Not all.
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[121]Re: ([122]Score:2)
by [123]Inglix the Mad [124]( 576601 ) writes:
Sorry mate, but if you left the right-wing echo
chamber you'd realize that (as much as they rail
against it) Republicans STILL support the
surveillance state and call others SOFFF ON
TERRIR!!!! to scare their pants wetting base to win
elections. Just look at the "border crisis" and
pretty much everything else they bleat about as they
scream "TERRISTS EVERIWERE!!! FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!"
nonstop.
Also note I didn't absolve the democratic party at
all. I'll give a pass to Russ Feingold, because he
called it BS,
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[125]Re: ([126]Score:3)
by [127]DarkOx [128]( 621550 ) writes:
What is the controversy here?
I can't recall a time where it was permissible to board a
commercial airliner anonymously. Not sure when the FAA
started insisting on passenger manifests but its not
exactly new and there are good reasons for it.
Look I am all for people being about to move about
domestically freely. I absolutely think you should be
able to buy a bus or train ticket for cash and if you ID
is checked or isn't should be up to the transport company
but.. we know the risks where it comes to weaponizi
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[129]Re: ([130]Score:3)
by [131]cellocgw [132]( 617879 ) writes:
I can't recall a time where it was permissible to
board a commercial airliner anonymously. Not sure
when the FAA started insisting on passenger
manifests but its not exactly new and there are good
reasons for it.
You are clearly a youngster. Yes, even in the 60s
and 70s airline tickets had names on them, but there
was no ID check of any kind. In fact, the director
of the SkunkWorks (per the book he wrote) bought
tickets to Europe under the name "Ben Dover" to
avoid public knowledge of his travel.
The original intent, and only justification for,
passenger manifests was to be able to alert family
members in case of a crash.
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[133]Re: ([134]Score:2)
by [135]DarkOx [136]( 621550 ) writes:
True I was to young in the 70s to be buying my
own plane tickets -or- really anything.
Either way I certainly can't recall a time in
the 90s where you were getting on a plane with
out some ID checking going on; at least not
unless you were a child. Certainly after Pan Am
103, if not before things started to tighten up
quite a bit.
I simply come back to - if we are going to do
security it should be better than theater. If
we *need* the security or not is a separate
conversation. If the requirement that was set
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[138]Re: ([139]Score:2)
by [140]ArchieBunker [141]( 132337 ) writes:
The only person who has consistently voted against the
patriot act has been Bernie Sanders. Maybe Rand Paul as
well but he votes just to look like a contrary asshole.
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[142]Re: ([143]Score:2)
by [144]JackieBrown [145]( 987087 ) writes:
Rand Paul is one of the few politicians that voted
consistent with his beliefs (and seems to actually
have beliefs.)
They are different then your beliefs but he's not
doing it to be a contrary asshole.
I don't agree with Bernie Sanders on much, but do
recognize that he is pretty consistent with his
values.
They both vote on what they think is right versus
what their party tells them is right.
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[146]Re: ([147]Score:3)
by [148]SomePoorSchmuck [149]( 183775 ) writes:
The same Republicans who (performatively) complain about
surveillance and yet magically vote for surveillance
every single time? To be fair they only want the plebes
under surveillance. They also have their status as
legislators to get them by security.
Ron "I love surveillance if it's targeting plebes"
Johnson, and many other Republicans, will gladly scream
"SOFFF ON TERRIR!!!" at opponents who want to reign in
government surveillance and security theater. After all
they know 99% of their base, despite being such rough and
tumble individualists, is a bunch of bed wetters living
in terminal fear of the world. Add in a bunch of people
who have no idea of how pointless such theater is today,
but think it's probably a good idea from what Fox has
said.
So for Republican politicians it's a non-issue.
Your neurotransmitter hit from binaristic thinking limits
your ability to improve the situation.
A huge portion of the Republican and conservatives base
hates the TSA and would love to see the agency
eliminated. Instead of just seeing another opportunity to
rail against people in an Us/Them binary, look for
opportunities to make common cause in areas you do
overlap with others. Overlaps do exist, but entrenched
social/commercial/financial systems are working hard to
keep us focused on Othering people. Divide
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[150]Re: ([151]Score:2)
by [152]whoever57 [153]( 658626 ) writes:
A huge portion of the Republican and conservatives
base hates the TSA and would love to see the agency
eliminated
Where is the evidence for this? Was this part of the
negotiations of the debt limit?
I suspect that many, if not most GOP voters are in
denial about what "their" party actually supports.
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[154]So where are Democrats pressing for this? ([155]Score:1)
by [156]SuperKendall [157]( 25149 ) writes:
You are trying to make this some Republican issue - so you are
claiming they are the ones stopping the TSA from being
removed...
But where is more than one or two Democrats calling for the
removal of the TSA? The president could do it, yet here we
have face scanners going in under his watch.
Why are you making this a partisan issue when plainly all of
the government class badly wants a massive security state
apparatus spying on you.
Wake up and smell the Libertarianism man.
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[158]you'll save several seconds ([159]Score:1)
by [160]0xG [161]( 712423 ) writes:
you'll save several seconds, if not a minute,
Oh great, now i will not miss my flights /s
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[162]Re:Use facial recognition on the entire airport ([163]Score:5,
Insightful)
by [164]Joce640k [165]( 829181 ) writes: on Wednesday June 07,
2023 @09:08AM ([166]#63583048) [167]Homepage
It's almost as if you believe airports are full of terrorists,
and that aircraft are the only place they can possibly get
you.
Fact 1: Terrorists can do their thing outside of airports ...
or even in the lines of people waiting to pass through airport
security. What do you think the effect of a dozen simultaneous
nail bombs in airport security lines across the country would
be?
Fact 2: The only thing the TSA has really done to improve
security is to lock the cockpit doors on the aircraft.
Ref: [168]https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
Conclusion: There simply aren't many terrorists in the world.
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[176]Re: ([177]Score:2)
by [178]JackieBrown [179]( 987087 ) writes:
I always wonder why terrorist don't target the waiting
lines at airports. That would probably do more impact
then a plane now that the cockpits are locked.
My takeaway is this isn't a real problem and was a
diversionary reaction to 9/11 to take away attention on
the failures from both Bush and Clinton to stop this plot
before it hit the airports.
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[181]When you go online to find error rates ([182]Score:2)
by [183]Required Snark [184]( 1702878 ) writes:
The results you get all are published by companies that sell the
technology, or articles about how the TSA is doing a great job
rolling this out. There are just a few pesky elected officials who
are standing in the way of PROGRESS by making dumb objections.
And of course the TSA is would never lie and they are well known
for their transparency and willingness to admit mistakes. It will
all deploy seamlessly and no one will ever get stranded in an
airport and have their trip turned into a Kafkaesque nightmar
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[185]I seriously doubt it ([186]Score:3)
by [187]usedtobestine [188]( 7476084 ) writes: on Wednesday June
07, 2023 @07:02AM ([189]#63582816)
Google and Apple's photo apps still can't tell the difference
between gorillas and blacks:
[190]https://www.nytimes.com/2023/0... [nytimes.com]
[191]https://www.wired.com/story/wh... [wired.com]
If the TSA can, I'm sure both of these billion dollar companies
would pay quite a lot to license the technology, and pay even more
for an exclusive license.
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[198]Re: ([199]Score:2)
by [200]drinkypoo [201]( 153816 ) writes:
That's no doubt a real problem in some contexts, but how many
gorillas have you seen going through the TSA line?
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[203]Re: ([204]Score:1)
by [205]christoban [206]( 3028573 ) writes:
Google and Apple's photo apps still can't tell the difference
between gorillas and blacks:
What about gorilla faces? LOL
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[207]Controversial for Americans ([208]Score:2)
by [209]Unpopular Opinions [210]( 6836218 ) writes:
This looks and feels the same system being used to allow
non-American citizens to enter the country, found at multiple
international ports of entry, since many years ago. Surprised the
volume of people coming in every day from all over the world did
not adequately trained the American version of the system enough
for what apparently seems to be an issue with a very ugly face.
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[211]TSA Expands Controversial Facial Recognition Progr ([212]Score:1)
by [213]dawidkaczmarczyk [214]( 10422034 ) writes:
Wow, airports are implementing facial recognition technology for
security checks. TSA claims it's faster and more accurate than
humans, but some senators are skeptical and want it halted. Privacy
concerns, anyone?
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[215]Sounds great, but... ([216]Score:5, Funny)
by [217]CrappySnackPlane [218]( 7852536 ) writes: on Wednesday June
07, 2023 @08:09AM ([219]#63582924)
Sounds great. TSA agent points the gadget at my ID and pushes a
button, points the gadget at me and pushes another button, either
it goes "baBEEP" and I get right through, or it goes "BEEPBEEPBEEP"
and the TSA agent squints at me and my ID like a bouncer carding me
at a club show, then, presuming the two are a match, waves me
through.
...but I get the feeling it's not going to work out that way. It's
probably going to be something more like:
TSA agent points the gadget at my ID and pushes a button. Resulting
photo is stored forever on a database. TSA points the gadget at me.
Pushes the wrong button, cancelling the whole operation and
clearing the picture of my ID from the gadget's memory. TSA agent
looks confused, then points the gadget at me again and pushes the
right button. Resulting photo is stored forever on a database.
Except there's no picture of my ID in the gadget's memory so
everything just sort of hangs. It takes ten minutes for the TSA
agent to find a supervisor who can reset the unit. Supervisor
resets the unit, points the gadget at my ID and pushes a button,
then, clearly in a hurry, waves the gadget up in the general
direction of my face and pushes another button, capturing a blurry
photo of the right side of my face and the wall behind me. It goes
BEEPBEEPBEEP because the supervisor took a shitty picture, but even
if it had been pointed in the right direction it would have gone
off, because the individual hairs on my head and blemishes on my
face are not a 1:1 match with the picture the DMV took of me in
mid-sneeze five years ago. The TSA agent grabs me and I am led to a
small unfurnished office to wait for two hours while they decide
whether I look like my ID or not. No matter how they decide, they
end up spending two more hours interrogating me about the middle
names of various distant relatives I've never even heard of, let
alone met. After they're finished interrogating me, no matter how
it goes, they stick their fingers up my butt. This whole time my
baggage has been subject to "enhanced search procedures", which
basically means to break everything with a hammer before putting it
in the cargo hold of a random plane and telling me it's been lost.
By the time I find myself back home - tired, sore, and bereft of
baggage; the TSA database has been hacked and the picture of my ID
has been used in no less than three separate crimes. Wearily, I
drag myself out to go use a neighbor's phone, since mine is now a
very fine powder coating the floor of TSA's baggage search area. As
soon as I leave my front door I'm teargassed by a SWAT team because
the blurry photo the TSA agent's supervisor took of my right cheek
and the wall happened to pop a match in the Extremely Dangerous and
Incredibly Armed Fugitive Terrorist Super Bad Guy database.
Because we all must be vigilant against TERRISM.
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by [228]NoWayNoShapeNoForm [229]( 7060585 ) writes:
You missed the part about the floor opening up and swallowing
you in a bottomless pit of raging fire when the TSA dork
screws up the process.
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[231]The TSA is not needed ([232]Score:5, Informative)
by [233]Inglix the Mad [234]( 576601 ) writes: on Wednesday June
07, 2023 @08:28AM ([235]#63582954)
Everyone forgets that, for a couple DECADES, people were told to do
the following during a hijacking:
Sit down.
Shut up.
Listen to the cabin crew / pilots.
Odds are you'll live through the ordeal.
That's exactly what Al Qaeda was counting on when they conducted
their attack. People seem to forget that they did it all on ONE
DAY. No attack since then has followed a similar profile. Do you
know why?
Allow me to say this for the cheap seats of Republican bed wetters
and other people living in fear of this, or anything similar,
happening again:
NOBODY EXCEPT FOR SMALL CHILDREN OR THE EXTREMELY ELDERLY WILL EVER
SIT STILL DURING A HIJACKING OR OTHER AIR ATTACK.
REPEAT: NOBODY WILL SIT STILL AGAIN... EVER... NO MATTER HOW YOU
THREATEN THEM THEY WILL TRY TO KILL TERRORISTS.
That's right. Look at the resultant actions of passengers towards
terrorists since then... most should consider themselves lucky to
be breathing afterwards. You could take away the TSA today, and
nothing would happen. Why? The old rules are gone, and the
terrorists know it. There will never be another successful
hijacking of a passenger plane ever again. No, not ever. Passengers
will kill the terrorists or die trying. You can't put enough
terrorists on a plane to hold it long enough for an attack, or
anything else for that matter. The passengers are more numerous,
and will die trying to overpower the terrorists. Why shouldn't they
try to kill the terrorists? They're dead if the terrorists win, but
they might live if they take the terrorists down.
Let's ditch the security theater and have a nice day.
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[242]Re: The TSA is not needed ([243]Score:2)
by [244]RegistrationIsDumb83 [245]( 6517138 ) writes:
Heck, these days passengers won't sit still even if everything
is fine. Random assaults, fights, and even opening the doors
during landing.
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by [248]Joce640k [249]( 829181 ) writes:
We also locked the cockpit door and will refuse to open it.
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by [252]Inglix the Mad [253]( 576601 ) writes:
They didn't need to lock it at all, that's just more
theater. Today you'd be lucky to if the cabin crew /
passengers didn't kill you for trying open the door
without permission.
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[254]Here's the data that challenges your claim ([255]Score:2, Interesting)
by [256]Bruce66423 [257]( 1678196 ) writes:
Enjoy!
[258]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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[259]The airlines should be responsible for security. ([260]Score:2,
Insightful)
by [261]PJ6 [262]( 1151747 ) writes:
Conservatives always claim government can't do anything right, you
have to starve the beast and all that - so why did nobody object
when they formed a new bloated federal agency, the TSA? Why should
our tax money pay for an airline's operating expense?
If airport security were the responsibility of the airlines
themselves, lawsuits, or the threat of them, would balance things
out a little more. But no. We have this instead, misbehavior
shielded by a sovereign immunity legal black hole that nobody can
do an
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[263]Re: ([264]Score:2)
by [265]ArchieBunker [266]( 132337 ) writes:
Conservatives always claim government can't do anything right,
you have to starve the beast and all that - so why did nobody
object when they formed a new bloated federal agency, the TSA?
Why should our tax money pay for an airline's operating
expense?
So they could staff it with cronies and hire people as
political favors. Not to mention all the sweet contracts for
equipment that their buddies can non compete bid on. Scanners,
metal detectors, uniforms, you name it.
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[267]Re: ([268]Score:2)
by [269]JackieBrown [270]( 987087 ) writes:
I think most conservatives would prefer the TSA went away.
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[271]Re: ([272]Score:2)
by [273]avandesande [274]( 143899 ) writes:
Because we don't have any conservatives in the government,
just different flavors of neocons and neoliberals. Bush was
one of the worst of these in my lifetime.
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[275]Probably works as well as the lint roller ([276]Score:2)
by [277]schwit1 [278]( 797399 ) writes:
[279]https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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[280]Re: ([281]Score:2)
by [282]Joce640k [283]( 829181 ) writes:
....there's no such thing as privacy in public. Simple as
that. Walking through an airport is a public space.
That's not the point. The point is that they shouldn't have
the facial database in the first place.
(...where did they even get it from?)
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by [286]Joce640k [287]( 829181 ) writes:
You sidestepped the real question - should the TSA
have that database?
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[290]SOP for Federal TLAs, usual SNAFU ([291]Score:2)
by [292]SomePoorSchmuck [293]( 183775 ) writes:
"We view this as better for security, much more efficient, because
the image capture is fast and you'll save several seconds, if not a
minute," said TSA Administrator David Pekoske.
THIS JUST IN-- federal bureaucratic agency expands its bureaucracy
and control/surveillance/gatekeeping powers in order to solve the
inefficiencies caused by the federal bureaucratic agency's previous
expansion of control/surveillance/gatekeeping powers. We can all
feel relieved that the problem is now solved and there will not
simply be justification of another expansion 5 years and 5 trillion
dollars from now.
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[294]My Opinion. ([295]Score:1)
by [296]Motleypuss [297]( 10291831 ) writes:
The TSA has no purpose, and this won't help.
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[298]Complaining about what? ([299]Score:2)
by [300]ThumpBzztZoom [301]( 6976422 ) writes:
I don't like to yell, but this is needed due to the volume of
people who have no clue what they are talking about, but are
actively complaining anyway. It's like they thought Minority Report
was a film about current events and are reacting to the headline.
THIS ISN'T REAL-TIME, "WALKING BY A VIDEO CAMERA AND IDENTIFYING
FROM VAST DATABASE" FACIAL RECOGNITION. THIS IS "LINE UP YOUR HEAD
TO THE OUTLINE AND TAKE A PHOTO SO WE CAN COMPARE IT TO YOUR ID
PHOTO" FACIAL RECOGNITION.
The video facial recognition has s
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[302]Re: Complaining about what? ([303]Score:2)
by [304]CrappySnackPlane [305]( 7852536 ) writes:
Why is this the photo you object to, and not the others? Your
information and your photo were already in the database long
before you got to the airport.
What planet have you been living on where people haven't also
objected to the others?
One more photo is one more opportunity for a potentially
life-ruining false positive. Just because the lake's already
polluted doesn't mean it's fine to be dumping more filth in.
o
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[306]Failure. ([307]Score:1)
by [308]Motleypuss [309]( 10291831 ) writes:
The TSA has never succeeded at anything, last I checked. This is
just another way to fail.
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