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New California law allows liquor companies to pay for free rides
38 points by prostoalexhttp://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/art...
mikestew - 1 hours ago
I'm more surprised that it wasn't allowed to begin with. I mean, I
see where they were coming from with the original law, but we've
had drunk driving in the "bad" bucket for how many decades now?
Seems like it took them an inordinate amount of time to catch up
with the times.
jvagner - 1 hours ago
The article covers why it might not be a great idea.That said,
people not having any options to get home ignores the fact that
people are heading out to spend money on alcohol to begin with.
Budgeting for a cab ride home seems beyond everyone's thinking,
in this article...
slavik81 - 1 hours ago
The argument against was basically that drinking is bad, and
that if people can safely get home after drinking, more people
will do it. If that's the best argument the opposition had, I
can see why this bill passed unanimously.
buttersbadams - 1 hours ago
Spending wisely + intoxication. You expect strict budgeting
under those circumstances?
sithadmin - 1 hours ago
>we've had drunk driving in the "bad" bucket for how many decades
now?I think you'll find that outside of larger urban areas in the
US, drunk driving tends to fall into a gray area of morality, or
in some cases (in my experience, very rural locales with very
little meaningful road traffic), an accepted norm.Almost nobody I
know that lives in an urban US area drives drunk or finds it
acceptable. This becomes more lax among my suburban friends and
acquaintances. For some of my more rural acquaintances, taking a
6 pack along for consumption during a drive is typical behavior
that nobody in their community even bats an eye at.
shafyy - 23 minutes ago
Another difference I observed is San Francisco vs. Zurich (both
urban areas). While in Zurich very few people I know would
drink and drive, people in SF don't seem to really care about
being a little tipsy. Of course, this is anecdotale.
bmelton - 1 hours ago
I think this has a lot to do with a lot of things.If I'm
working in the city, it's easy for me to say "Well, I plan to
drink tonight, so I'll cab to the place where I'm drinking so
that I'll have to cab from the place after I'm drinking."When
that place is more than a $50 Uber/Lyft/Cab ride away from the
suburbs I'm coming from, the options are limited, leaving me to
the effort of having to curtail the amount that I drink such
that it's safe to drive home. The science I've heard mention
is that you can metabolize something like 2 drinks per hour,
which is a handy guideline, but lacks so much. 2 drinks of
what? 3% Miller Lite isn't the same as 10% microbrews, which
isn't the same as 40+% scotch or bourbon. Does that 2 drink
guideline cover hard spirits in assuming the worst, or is it
assuming the most common scenario of beer? I have no idea.For
me, I tend to prefer drinking at home, or at Uber/Lyftable
distances from my home, so that I can be safe, but yeah,
everyone's guidance differs slightly, and as someone downthread
mentions, relying on choice of drinking safely as judgement is
impaired by the alcohol they're drinking is fraught with peril.
sithadmin - 1 hours ago
It's definitely a multifacted issue. I suspect that income
distribution between urban centers and other areas definitely
plays a major role, as does a person's risk calculus
associated with performing the act itself.As far as 'drinks
per hour' guidelines go, that's usually standardized as a
single unit of alcohol (e.g. 1 1.5 oz shot of 80 proof liqour
OR 12 oz of a macrobrew lager OR 6 oz of a typical wine).
brewdad - 1 minutes ago
Yes. I've started using a "rule of 60" for estimating an
alcohol drink's impact. Alcohol % by volume x drink size in
oz. A 5% beer in a 12oz bottle is equal to a 1.5 oz pour
of 80 proof liquor. That 8oz snifter of 10% beer is worth
80 points. Same if you order a pint of the 5% beer instead
of a bottle.
mikestew - 1 hours ago
I grew up in a rural area and can confirm. But I haven't lived
in a rural area for a long time, so ass-u-me-d that had changed
along with the changes I've seen in urban and suburban areas.
Guess not. OTOH, the roads can be pretty empty in rural South
kodablah - 1 hours ago
I've often wondered why this wasn't the case before, though I
understand many state alcohol agencies (i.e. TABC where I live)
discourage drinking incentivization.Ride sharing companies should
now be falling over each other to sign exclusive deals with bars.
"Come to Kodablah's Bar. We'll pick you up in a Lyft and send you
home in one at no extra cost. Restrictions apply: only applies to
those within 18 miles, minimum tab of $40."
sedtrader - 1 hours ago
> Thousands attending Super Bowl 50 in Santa Clara in 2016 didn't
have options to get home safely after drinkingPardon my humor, but
do designated drivers exist anymore? or was that just a fad that
went out of style?
djrogers - 52 minutes ago
That?s a typical California politician?s comment. If someone else
doesn?t provide something free or heavily subsidized, they
pretend it doesn?t exist.Pretty dumb to ignore the fact tha buy
cutting back on a few $12 beverages at the game one could either
drive home or afford a Lyft...
jdale27 - 15 minutes ago
Or maybe it's just a reflection of the reality that there are
probably a lot of people who don't want to go to a football
game and not get drunk.
rconti - 7 minutes ago
Actually it's an anti-regulatory stance.
diafygi - 1 hours ago
I suspect that designated drivers are economically worse than
sponsored rides. A designated driver is a person not buying
drinks and yet still taking a spot in your capacity. If you can
sell $1000 more drinks by sponsoring rides, and those rides cost
$500, it's totally worth sponsoring rides.
oceanswave - 1 hours ago
Soon, analytics will find the teetotalers that are buying
tickets and automatically tack on a surcharge so that their
non-drinking spot is amortized at a rate that is determined by
the average revenue generated by a drinker. Past ticket holders
who have shown themselves to be exceptional at both consuming
alcoholic beverages may be eligable for a reduced price ticket.
Eridrus - 36 minutes ago
You make this seem like a bad thing, but as someone who
doesn't drink a lot, I would prefer to pay a surcharge rather
than deal with a 2 drink minimum.
tehwebguy - 32 minutes ago
Is there anything that has a drink minimum besides comedy
gnicholas - 1 hours ago
On the other hand, you can sell a parking spot if there's a DD.
I don't know the going rate, but it's at least a couple drinks'
worth ($45 spot = 3 x $15 beers)?On the whole, stadiums may
prefer to have a big line of ubers/lyfts lined up to take
people home, but it's not like it's a total loss to have DDs.
xapata - 27 minutes ago
Parking rates, while seemingly expensive, are usually
subsidized by the other economic activity of the business.
beambot - 26 minutes ago
Except that you're paying for a lot of overhead for those
parking spots year round... Not just during the event.
Everything from infrastructure (land, buildings), personnel,
etc. That's a heavy, real cost to the stadium and surrounding
community compared to a few drinks. And that space could be
better utilized for shops and housing.
DoreenMichele - 31 minutes ago
From a strictly economic perspective: Free rides homes may
mean charging overtime for the spot because they leave their
car there overnight and also selling more liquor.But I don't
see why this should be viewed in terms of pure economics.
What if people who make beer et al are actual human beings
and are bothered by the fact that drunk driving kills people?
Since their product is involved, what if some of them feel
some personal sense of responsibility to reduce death's due
to drunk driving?
gnicholas - 5 minutes ago
Totally agree that it's not just a pure business decision.
I was just responding to the sentiment of the GP that
indicated that stadiums might be supporting plans like this
because more drinkers means more revenue. That isn't to say
they want people to drive drunk ? this was just comparing
getting people home via DDs (who don't buy alcohol) or
getting more drinkers in the stadium and getting them home
safe on uber/lyft.
gnicholas - 3 minutes ago
Fun fact: at Giants Stadium in SF, you can get a wristband for a
free soda if you are a DD. Just swing by Guest Services and they'll
give you a wristband.Not-so-fun fact: you cannot redeem the
wristband for water. You literally have to get soda.