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An epic treatise on scheduling, bug tracking, and triage
68 points by lostdoghttp://apenwarr.ca/log/?m=201712
PaulRobinson - 5 hours ago
TL;DR: Agile is silly but has some lessons to teach. Most people do
it wrong though. Make decisions early and stick to them. Talk about
effort not time. Make stories about users. Treat bugs differently
to stories (they are on average all the same size, are written from
a different perspective, etc.). Abandon stand-ups, steal things
from SCRUM and Kanban, and don't talk about deadlines, ever.
ndh2 - 4 hours ago
I don't think a tl;dr like this is appropriate for this one,
because it leaves out the best bits. I mean, this is a very long
writeup, and you're condensing it to 7 sentences. For example,
the interesting part is not that deadlines don't work, but why
they don't work. And I feel like the "why" is missing from a lot
of advice on methodology: Everybody talks about how, but why are
we supposed to do these things in the first place? And maybe we
can learn something while trying to find answers to these
questions.I've only read half of it, but I liked it a lot. What
about you? Did you like it? Why?
falsedan - 1 hours ago
I think a tl;dr is suppose to leave bits out?
saltedmd5 - 1 hours ago
Yes, but it is also supposed to communicate the point. Which
is not always possible in a tl;dr because if it was the
author probably would have just written a single paragraph in
the first place and saved a whole lot of time for everyone.
smichel17 - 44 minutes ago
I have not read the article (yet; it's bookmarked for
later), so I'm speaking generally, here.> it was [possible]
the author probably would have just written a single
paragraph in the first place and saved a whole lot of time
for everyone.This does not fit with my experience, even
disregarding things like YouTube videos which drag on in
order to justify longer ads.Writing concisely is hard, and
often much more time consuming than a lengthy brain dump.
It's also tempting to elaborate on every point, however
tangential. I have to constantly fight this in my own
writing; my desire is to be complete, but really I'm
drifting off-topic, diluting my point with irrelevance,
making it harder to follow.Based on the comments above, it
seems like the tl;dr missed important nuance, but that
isn't always so.
pjc50 - 41 minutes ago
So .. what is the business substitute for deadlines? Unless
you're genuinely a startup with unlimited funding and total
freedom, eventually people are going to ask the question "so what
are you going to deliver and when?"
apenwarr - 54 minutes ago
I?m the author of the article. I apologize for its massive length
but wasn?t able to make it shorter without losing my favourite bits
:) I?m happy to answer any questions people have here.