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Jewelbots - A Friendship Bracelet You Can Code
75 points by le-markhttps://jewelbots.com/
thebiglebrewski - 5 minutes ago
Cool site and congrats to this team! Love the idea and the
pg_bot - 1 hours ago
Anyone who is active in the NYC JS scene knows Sara Chipps, the CEO
of Jewelbots. She has given a couple talks about what it takes to
run a hardware startup, and has been a wonderful member of the
community. I only wish her and co. the best of success with
everything they have put together, the new version looks great!
j_s - 5 minutes ago
Sara Chipps (Jewelbots) | Navigating the Hardware World with
sarajo - 28 minutes ago
This is so kind, thank you!!
pls2halp - 25 minutes ago
> JS sceneI don?t want to be an asshole, but ?_?
sctb - 13 minutes ago
Could you please not post unless you have something substantive
and on-topic to
kemonocode - moments ago
The idea by itself is pretty great, however I think the site could
do better at conveying what a Jewelbot can do. Apparently it has
lights and vibration and it can communicate wirelessly- what else?
Would it be possible to use it as a smart token / have it interact
with other gadgets? Also, would you consider designing a version
with a little embedded LCD screen to go with the programmable LEDs?
shostack - 2 hours ago
On a related note, can anyone suggest sites with great
educational/fun gifts like this for girls?
j_s - 2 hours ago
Looking forward to seeing other recommendations (perhaps more
specific, and best with personal anecdata).? Ask HN: Know of any
non-digital toys/games that teach, for 6-10 year olds? |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14942570 (Aug 2017, 71
comments)? Elementary School Coding & Robotics Resources |
found on: Project Bloks: Making code physical for kids |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11986593 (Jun 2016)?
(Jan 2016) <- links to 3 previous posts with additional
recommendations? Teaching a 3-Year-Old to Program Without a
Computer Screen (Cubetto - https://www.primotoys.com/) |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10586661 (Nov 2015, 35
comments)? DragonBox: Secretly teach algebra to your children |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9469364 (May 2015, 100
comments)? Osmo (iPad app with add-on hardware) |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7784243 (May 2014, 104
comments)? Turn anything into a videogame controller, even a
banana (https://makeymakey.com/) |
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3971869 (May 2012, 25
comments)Robot Turtles (http://www.robotturtles.com/) makes a
good jumping-off point for further research as it is a favorite
in this category:
PS. volunteer application re-opens Feb 2018:
https://www.tealsk12.org/pair volunteer CS professionals across
the US with classroom teachers
jonbaer - 1 hours ago
I'd recommend the Adabox from Adafruit, it's a subscription
service ... https://www.adafruit.com/adabox
jacobrobbins - 1 hours ago
my company shared an office with the Jewelbots team and I was very
impressed at the user testing they did. The bracelet is a great
user-programmable product for 8-14 year olds, which is really a
difficult age group to design for.
kdamken - 2 hours ago
Holy moly that website does a bad job of describing what they
actually do. Apparently you can program the lights and vibrations?
I looked up a YouTube video, apparently they can be programmed for
notifications from your phone?Marketing team really dropped the
ball on this one.
addicted - 1 hours ago
I thought it was pretty well done considering the target
audience.Brief tagline "Friendship bracelet. That you can code"
to pique your interest.Then a user story showing how someone
actually used it.I'm sure it can be improved significantly, but I
feel the idea behind pitching why you would want to buy it (it's
a friendship bracelet that does cool things like light up the
same color when you're together) as opposed to its capabilities
is not necessarily that far off the mark for a product of this
nature (e.g. the Apple Watch landing page as of right now doesn't
describe anything about what the Watch can do...it's just selling
the fact that it's a watch).
untog - 1 hours ago
I disagree."When Nyla got Jewelbots for her birthday she gave the
second one to Wenhao, a girl in her class.""Nyla and Wenhao's
Jewelbots light up blue when they are together (Blue is Wenhao's
favorite color)""They make a secret language just for their
Jewelbots. Sending one buzz means "look behind you!".""Using the
power of STEM, Nyla and her friends make games and custom friend
animations by writing code and uploading it to their
Jewelbots!"That pretty unambigiously describes a piece of
programmable jewellery to me. It's doing it in a more story-
driven way than presenting a bulleted list of specs, but given
the target audience that makes sense. Having read that page I'm
really not even slightly confused about what it is.
sarajo - 1 hours ago
Thanks so much for your feedback! Sounds like we have some things
to add to the FAQ!Jewelbots can be programmed just like an
Arduino using C++. Real code! Because we believe that kids are
super smart (Also, I starting writing C++ at 11).
scrumper - 27 minutes ago
My knee jerk reaction was pretty negative, but on only a few
seconds? reflection I think this is great. Absolutely no reason
why kids can?t start with C++; it doesn?t have to be template
meta programming insanity from the get-go. Motivated kids have
infinite capacity for learning and a lot of time for
exploration.Kudos for not patronizing them with some awful
imitation of flow programming or some neutered scripting
sarajo - 12 minutes ago
Yeah, right? I don't think the drag -> drop coding does a lot
of help when it comes to learning.Talking to my male peers, I
learned that most of them started coding when they were
Tweens, largely because they wanted to make games or found an
open source project they loved. Jewelbots are designed to be
the same for girls. So far so good!
KGIII - 1 hours ago
What they will do is make the nearly inevitable drama of teen
girl lives more expensive as the devices are discarded as rapidly
as BFFs and boyfriends.The drama in a young teen's life seems to
know no limits. It's all very important to them, at least for the
moment. As a parent, you're sort of obligated to take it Very
Seriously.These are just one more thing to be taken Very
Seriously.I do find it amusing that marketing has decided to
latch onto STEM for young ladies. It's a noble goal, but I'm not
sure trinkets are the way to go about it.Sort of related: I'm a
bit proud that my daughter is an MD, but my only help, aside from
paying for it, was just offering to support her, regardless of
her career choices - and trying to keep a good sense of humor.
sarajo - 53 minutes ago
Hi! I hope we don't get discarded! We're a new product, so we
don't yet have too much data about retention. We do know that
44% of our users code their Jewelbots using C++, many as first
time coders! We also are about to ship our 10,000th unit. That
makes over 4,000 new coders in the world (many younger than 10
KGIII - 43 minutes ago
I'd hope so too, but such seemed the way of my daughter and
her friends when they were in that age bracket. Friendships
were tossed aside at the slightest of reasons. It was a lot
of drama.While probably sexist to note this, my son and his
friends didn't seem to have nearly the same drama. I'm not
sure what the difference is but it certainly was both real
and notable. I'm also sure it isn't universal.
apsec112 - 42 minutes ago
Starting lots of drama, and taking apparently silly things Very
Seriously, is hardly unique to teenagers. At least petty
teenage drama doesn't bankrupt whole companies, as I've seen
happen multiple times with petty adult drama.
KGIII - 40 minutes ago
Some people do not mature very much, true.
asusBsus - 37 minutes ago
"the nearly inevitable drama of teen girl lives more expensive
as the devices are discarded as rapidly as BFFs and
boyfriends."This is an untrue stereotype. I would argue that
this stereotype, teen girls are unnecessarily and overly
dramatic, is one of the same stereotypes that dissuades girls
from coding in the first place.
penagwin - 31 minutes ago
I'm not sure what you mean. Girls and guys in their young
teen years (and older teen years) are both likely to fall
in/out with other people. Both are very dramatic. While it
could be confirmation bias, girls are more likely to "ignore
each other", and other things that more permanently changes
relationships.If this is two bands that are interconnected
that could get expensive.
KGIII - 19 minutes ago
You can argue that but, out of curiosity, I just sent my
daughter a text.Me: 'How long do you think you kept
friendship bracelets for?'Her reply: 'Maybe two weeks. I
still have one from [redacted] somewhere.'As I said, it
surely isn't universal but she and her friends all fit that
pattern. It didn't keep her from STEM, she's an MD.
727374 - 1 hours ago
I agree it could do better explaining what Jewelbots are, but I
wouldn't assume there's a dedicated "marketing team" for this
sarajo - 1 hours ago
Hi! We're a 5 person team located in NYC. I'm the marketing
team (plus my cofounder Brooke). This is all super helpful
feedback, thank you!
fmitchell0 - 2 hours ago
this is great
BearGoesChirp - 1 hours ago
The biggest issues that would prevent me from getting something
like this for those in my family who wear bracelets is the lack of
color customizing and bulkiness of the bot. But I like the idea
and I'm guessing both of these issues will be worked on in the
VohuMana - 1 hours ago
Wow, this is awesome! I wish I had these when I was a kid.
daveguy - 1 hours ago
This would be a lot better if it was priced closer to cost. $70 is
excessive for an a few RGB LEDs, microcontroller and a buzz motor.
These things can't cost more than $10 to manufacture even at low
scale. You have to buy at least 2 for it to be interesting they
should sell them for $20-$40 each. Maybe the pricing will come down
as they get orders.Very cool concept though.I hope they have some
patents on it or they will be seriously undercut.
tyingq - 1 hours ago
You are leaving out a few things, like battery, charging,
bluetooth, etc.Agree that lower pricing would help though.
Perhaps hoping that early adopters can pay off things like the
plastic molds, phone apps, and design.
mixologic - 1 hours ago
Maybe it changed since you posted this, but 129$ for a three pack
sounds like a decent price, and pretty close to what you're
saying.That being said, however, I think they should figure out a
way to get the multi packs able to be purchased by multiple
groups of parents. This looks like great fun for a group, and
sad on its own, but parents probably don't want to buy expensive-
ish toys for their kids friends.Then again, the easy thing to do
here would probably be to have each one come with a few one time
use coupon codes to give to their friends parents. "Recruit a
friend into your squad and get 30$ off" etc.
sarajo - 1 hours ago
Yes! I love this idea and we are working on something similar
sarajo - 1 hours ago
We do have patents, thank goodness! Our manufacturing costs are
no where near $10, that would be amazing. We have a more advanced
chipset than a Fitbit and all the capabilities of an Apple Watch
(without the screen). Jewelbots can have 8 simultaneous central
and peripheral relationships via bluetooth. We are the only
wearable device that talks to other wearable devices! (we are
also completely open source!)
tyingq - 10 minutes ago
>all the capabilities of an Apple WatchThe site makes it appear
as if your device is running a microcontroller, AVR or similar.
The Apple watch is a full on ARM processor running an operating
system.But perhaps you meant something else by the statement?
I'd be curious to know what all is inside.
sudosteph - 1 hours ago
I want to be cynical because I hate the idea that a gadget has to
have "jewel" in the name and be a fancy "friendship bracelet" to
appeal to girls. But it's a neat little trinket that somebody
worked hard on, and if it really was a young woman who designed it
to enjoy with their friends, I can't really hold that against them.
I don't think scaring away guys from it by saying it's "for girls"
is doing them any favors though.Thinking back though, one gadget I
remember being very appealing to kids of both sexes was Tamagotchi.
It would be cool if someone made a more
customizeable/programmable/less annoying version those in a
ringaroundthetx - 1 minutes ago
I actually like the idea that the gadget is positioned for "women
in tech" without being about "women in tech". Last thing we need
is another one of those panels, in lieu of what the individual
actually built or did.
jff - 1 hours ago
Yeah, with a different 'face', I think boys would think this was
cool too. I know 9 year old me though 'secret codes' were very
cool, so I'd have probably been into it.
sarajo - 1 hours ago
Hi! We talked to over 200 girls when making this product, rest
assured that every design decision was made with their feedback
in mind.Boys also love playing with Jewelbots, but there are
already a lot of coding toys aimed at boys!!! Our market
primarily identifies as female, but we'll broaden down the road.
2muchcoffeeman - 1 hours ago
Goldieblox does the same thing. Everything is stereotypically
girly.You have to assume they did some research and that's what
PixelB - 20 minutes ago
This is not a news article, it's a straight up
advertisement.Starting to lose faith in HN integrity. Who's
buddies over at HN with this product's creator?
tzakrajs - 10 minutes ago
This reminds me of the badges at Queercon that are specifically
made to interact with each other via radios or physical connection.