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Paul S. Otellini has died
249 points by DarkContinent
https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/paul-s-otellini-1950-2017/___________________________________________________________________
heyheyhey - 4 hours ago
I remember Paul said his biggest regret was not working with Apple
on the iPhone.I wonder how different Intel would be today if that
occurred.
raverbashing - 4 hours ago
Well, they didn't have a competing product at the time. Atom on
phones is kinda new, and I'm not sure it would fit Apple's
requirements of battery life, etc
GeekyBear - 2 hours ago
Intel sure left a whole lot of money on the table for the TSMC's
of the world to use for R&D and for capital expenditures like
building more Fabs.
ShabbosGoy - 4 hours ago
Probably not much different, since Intel's baseband is on many
versions of the iPhone.
thecompilr - 4 hours ago
Well, probably we would still see Apple develop their own CPUs.
Intel just couldn't deliver on the low power promise.
RachelF - 15 minutes ago
Intel had an ARM chip division for Phone CPUs called XScale from
2002 to 2006 when they sold it to Marvell to focus on the more
profitable x86 series.[1] He may have believed the x86 Atom chips
could replace the XScale.Xscale was widely used in Palm Treo's,
Sony Clie's most Compaq Poquet PC's and the original Amazon
Kindle.His "biggest regret" comment is pure rewriting of
history.He made the wrong decision to get out of phone CPUs.This
is probably one of the biggest blunders in Intel's
history.[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XScale
robk - 3 hours ago
He was a very nice person who I greatly liked but as an alumni I'm
saddened at the architectural missteps that plagued the company
such as the Pentium 4 architecture changes that otherwise cost
billions of shareholder value. There was a vocal part of
engineering who were disappointed a finance guy was in charge for
the first time.
Analemma_ - 2 hours ago
This might be trying to put a post facto positive spin on a
disaster, but I always heard from people involved with NetBurst
that they learned a lot of lessons from that debacle that were
applied to make Core as good as it was, and that without those it
wouldn?t have been nearly as good. Again, take that all with a
grain of salt, but maybe the P4 was a necessary step to get all
the pretty-good chips that came afterward.Besides, if you?re
looking for screw-ups that hammered Intel?s shareholder value, I
don?t think the P4 is even in the top 3. Selling XScale and
missing the boat on ARM was much worse.
simonh - 2 hours ago
I still dot get that. I can see how they made that move based
on the situation at the time, but if not with the iPhone then
by 2010 at least with the iPad launch they must have seen how
much things had changed. It also was far from too late to pivot
back into ARM. Look what Apple managed to do in just a few
years starting from scratch. It?s not as if Intel worked out an
alternative strategy either, if so where is it now? They?ve
still effectively got nothing worthwhile in the mobile space
after a decade.
webosdude - 2 hours ago
He wasn't a finance guy. He led sales and marketing before
becoming CEO at Intel.
irrational - 57 minutes ago
That actually sounds worse (I work in the sales department of a
Fortune 150 company).
asveikau - 4 hours ago
This might be a tad off-topic for HN, but the dates seem like an
odd coincidence: I am noticing that, per Wikipedia, Otellini was
born 8 days before Tom Petty, and they died on the same day.Edit:
it may be a silly observation I have made, but hn users are really
silly to downvote this.
_wmd - 5 hours ago
Second paragraph dives straight into corporate quarterly bonus
bullet point bullshit! What about the human! This is easily the
worst in memoriam I think I've ever seen. Written by some HR droid?
What an embarrassment, I think I just discovered why I'd never,
ever work for Intel
topgunsarg - 5 hours ago
Getting outraged over a paragraph detailing someone's
professional accomplishments in their professional
obituary...It's Intel's article on their former CEO's death,
what's it supposed to do, detail his personal life?
_wmd - 4 hours ago
An obituary should detail a man and /his/ life rather than his
relationship to a company, I understand how some people think
this is justifiable, but I also just find it grotesque in every
way. I know nothing more about him than I did prior to reading,
or whether he achieved any kind of satisfaction in his personal
life, which I think is kinda the point of these
things.Quarterly OKRs for a millionaire? I really hope they
weren't the entirety of his existence, otherwise we're all
doomed
sillysaurus3 - 5 hours ago
Other accomplishments included signing on notable new customer
engagements, such as winning the Apple PC business,FWIW that's
impressive to me. Apple is probably one of their larger
customers, and the deal could've gone to AMD instead.Business
accomplishments can be worth praising.
biggestdummy - 5 hours ago
Disagree. Just because they are business accomplishments doesn't
mean that they are without value. He likely worked incredibly
hard to achieve those results. Why shouldn't they be recognized
along with his mentoring and philanthropic works?
sp332 - 5 hours ago
A little tasteless, but it might have been an attempt to prevent
high-frequency trading bots from freaking out and selling.
dman - 5 hours ago
I never thought about bots in this context, thanks for pointing
this out.
craftyguy - 5 hours ago
Well, it does attribute the company's financial success during
this period to him.
yellowapple - 4 hours ago
"What about the human!"I don't know if they've since edited it or
what, but it currently describes plenty about how "the human" is
the reason for those numbers. It reads to me like a recognition
of Otellini's successes as CEO.
nkkollaw - 4 hours ago
66!? Wow... That's sad in 2017. Not old at all.
rdiddly - 4 hours ago
Same age as Tom Petty; in fact they were born within 8 days of
each other.
propelol - 3 hours ago
66 is pretty good if you are a heroin junkie
dbcurtis - 5 hours ago
Wow. Saddens me. I had the opportunity to meet Paul a couple of
times when I worked at Intel. Paul always impressed me as a great
executive and a great person.I have long believed that Paul is the
best post-Grove CEO that Intel has had. Otellini was as good of a
CEO as Grove, better in certain ways (consumer marketing
instincts). His tenure was not as long as Grove's and is under-
appreciated for that reason only.
keeptrying - 4 hours ago
He seems to have led a winderful and impactful life but it's a
little shocking when so many people in the news, who seemingly led
healthy lives, pass away in their 60s . :(Why is this happening?
athenot - 4 hours ago
If the average life expectancy in the US is 78 years, that means
there are plenty of people who might live to be 90, perhaps even
beyond 100 and many who will die anywhere between childhood and
that average number.Sadly, many interpret this to be that they
will live to be that magic average number, and either get caught
off-guard when time is up sooner (perhaps regretting having
neglected family time / travel / personal stuff), or unprepared
in the case they live 20 years beyond what their savings had
projected to last.
rootbear - 4 hours ago
My mother, who turns 97 today, is utterly astonished that she's
still alive.
jameskegel - 4 hours ago
Is she fairly active? I've noticed over the years, the ones
that just refuse to stop moving just keep going, for the most
part.
rootbear - 9 minutes ago
She isn't active now, but up until a few years ago, she was
the primary caregiver for my father, who had Alzheimer's.
It kept her busy. She also spent a lot of time on fixing
healthy food.
yeukhon - 3 hours ago
I second this. I know a lot of elders who are fairly active
outdoor and indoor seem to do better, much like plants need
sunlight and fresh air. My grandma used to live in China by
herself and her parish was only a few doors down. When she
finally came to live with us in the U.S., she still go to
church every morning, but she has to walk two blocks. After
a few months, her walking has improved, and crane is now
optional on the good sunny days. She eats well too
(compared to what she would eat in China..) She's 88 years
old today.For many years, Chinese elders are recommended to
go to senior citizen clubs, play chess games and Mahjong,
do TaiChi or something alike, for better physical and
mental health. The unfortunate side of the reality is many
elders are disabled and have no one to get them where they
need to be except getting help from senior assistance. I
hope more families can spend more time with their elderly.
Scarblac - 3 hours ago
On the other hand there are also those people who are quite
active and just don't wake up some morning in their early
40s.
noir_lord - 2 hours ago
I don't fear death, I fear suffering before it.I'm less
concerned with when I punch out than with how I punch
out.The thing that scares me more than physical infirmity
(and I can say this with a degree of certainty since I
have a serious spine condition that at one point could
have meant a wheelchair) is mental infirmity.Terry
Pratchett (and others) had it right, We should be allowed
to choose our end time while we are in sound mind.That we
don't have Euthanasia in most 'modern' societies I think
is insane.
EdSharkey - 2 hours ago
> That we don't have Euthanasia in most 'modern'
societies I think is insane.An insanely complex and
thorny issue, maybe.I would argue that once preserving
life is negotiable, a debate on the utility of the
elderly and infirmed soon follows. Ruthless bureaucratic
directives will simply roll off the tongue like, "maybe
your mother should just take a pain pill", if you recall
that ol' chestnut from prez. Obama.So, if you want to
institutionalize murdering inconvenient people, go ahead
and make your case. I'll oppose such self-hating
foolishness. If you do get your way, don't be surprised
when you're powerless and some bean counter
unceremoniously pulls your plug before you're ready to
go, just to free up a bed.
khedoros1 - 47 minutes ago
If I'm of sound mind and choose to die, then who are you
to stop me in the name of "preserving life"? Life has
value, but so do personal rights. Every human has the
right to life. I don't see any reason that they shouldn't
also have the right to decide when to give that right
up.> So, if you want to institutionalize murdering
inconvenient people, go ahead and make your case.That's
the exact opposite of what is being discussed here:
Murder is a disgusting violation of personal rights.
noir_lord - 1 hours ago
You didn't so much as step onto that slippery slope as
strap on some ski's and make it an Olympic event.> An
insanely complex and thorny issue, maybe.So are most
major issues society has to deal with.> I would argue
that once preserving life is negotiable, a debate on the
utility of the elderly and infirmed soon follows.Perhaps
but we already have that debate every time the government
decides how much money to put into elderly care (hint: In
my country (the UK) not as much as they should - Social
Care for the elderly is critically underfunded)> So, if
you want to institutionalize murdering inconvenient
people.Not sure how you got there from my post but for
what it is worth, I don't - I want the opinion of the
person in sound mind backed up by competent medical
professionals to be respected as a matter of body
autonomy, We don't get to force surgery on adults of
sound mind for example and here in the UK other things
are regulated in a similar system - I can choose not to
have surgery that will kill me if I don't have it, that's
fine but I can't choose the manner of my death, it seems
contradictory to me, We put animals that are suffering to
sleep because it's humane but we don't extend the same
right to humans who are capable of asking for it and yes
there are arguments against but nothing is perfect, the
question I always ask is "in aggregate does this benefit
people" if you wait around for the perfect solution you
end up not implementing a 'merely' better one.> If you do
get your way, don't be surprised when you're powerless
and some bean counter unceremoniously pulls your plug
before you're ready to go, just to free up a bed.And if
we don't, don't be surprised when the secret Martian
master race turn up and harvest your essence....
aaronbrethorst - 1 hours ago
Ruthless bureaucratic directives will simply roll
off the tongue like, "maybe your mother should just
take a pain pill", if you recall that ol' chestnut
from prez. Obama. Death panels!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/over75.asp
sbierwagen - 1 hours ago
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/644554>Sur
vival increased across the full range of gait speeds, with
significant increments per 0.1 m/s. At age 75, predicted
10-year survival across the range of gait speeds ranged
from 19% to 87% in men and from 35% to 91% in women.
Predicted survival based on age, sex, and gait speed was as
accurate as predicted based on age, sex, use of mobility
aids, and self-reported function or as age, sex, chronic
conditions, smoking history, blood pressure, body mass
index, and hospitalization.Graph of life expectancy vs gait
speed: http://jamanetwork.com/data/Journals/JAMA/8042/joc05
171f2.pn...Table with confidence intervals: http://jamanetw
ork.com/data/Journals/JAMA/8042/joc05171t2.pn...
frozenport - 3 hours ago
Problem here is that many can't move due to injury or
similiar.
irrational - 1 hours ago
I visited my 95 year old grandmother this past Sunday. She
was up and moving around the entire time except when
sitting down to eat the delicious lunch she had insisted on
cooking for us. Her hearing is starting to go, but her
eyesight is still fine and her mental faculties are razor
sharp. She still lives on her own and can get around just
fine.Part of it is surely genetic. Her father lived to be
nearly 105 and was 100% healthy physically and mentally
until 2 weeks before he died when he developed shingles and
got sores in his mouth that made it difficult to eat so he
stopped eating and died. He was still breaking horses into
his late-80s.I also wonder if it was something to do with
how she was raised. She grew up on a ranch and spent a lot
of time outdoors tending the cows and sheep We were
visiting the old property this summer and she told us we
should go on a hike to see a waterfall up a canyon where
she once had to retrieve a flock of lost sheep - it was one
of the most difficult hikes I've ever been on and I can't
believe she did it and brought back the sheep while still a
young girl. They made them tougher back in those days I
guess.
phkahler - 3 hours ago
>> Sadly, many interpret this to be that they will live to be
that magic average number...And some of us have the notion that
money can push your date out further. Then we see CEOs die
"early" and realize nobody is an exception.
sliverstorm - 4 hours ago
Totally unscientific, but I think it's conspicuous that is right
around retirement. Maybe people who are living on sheer
determination lose their purpose. Maybe people who need to be
busy are suddenly bored out of their minds. Maybe work kept them
moving, and without it they tanked quickly.I have no real proof,
but I'll be prodding my father to find a side job or volunteer
work or a really deep hobby as he approaches retirement.
evo - 2 hours ago
How do you disentangle the correlation, though?Is it not also
possible that a driven person retires because, perhaps
subconsciously, they recognize symptoms that both impair their
continued performance and portend their imminent demise?
sliverstorm - 1 hours ago
Simple, 65 is the standard retirement age and has been for a
long time now, while longevity patterns have shifted.
irrational - 20 minutes ago
My father is a doctor. He is in his 70s and works 60 hour weeks
at the Native American reservation clinic that he started
working at after he retired and built his dream home out in the
middle of nowhere. He claims that a 60 hour work week is
retirement for a doctor. He certainly doesn't need the money,
but says he will continue showing up at the clinic till he
dies.
CryptoPunk - 3 hours ago
If what you say about deaths rising after retirement is true,
it could be the loss of a routine. I suspect (and I also have
no evidence for this) that a routine, honed over many years, is
important to health. Also, loneliness is highly correlated with
increased chance of death. The end of work life could
significantly increase loneliness.
vasilipupkin - 1 hours ago
or you know, it could have nothing to do with these handwavy
claims and instead, he may have had a terminal illness, in
part triggered by years of extreme stress and super hard
work.
madamelic - 5 hours ago
This is going to sound really heartless: Imagine working for the
same company your entire adult life, retiring and dying 4 years
later.The thought of that, as a 26-year old, terrifies me.
eterm - 5 hours ago
If that frightens you then you shouldn't sacrifice yourself
working expecting some kind of future pay-off.Live around your
work, so you are working to enjoy life now, not in the
future.That doesn't mean "slack off" or "can working", it just
means find hobbies you enjoy and dedicate yourself as much to
them as your work.
pm90 - 5 hours ago
You can die TODAY in a car crash, the 4th largest killer of
Americans.Life is pretty fleeting; we plan for a long healthy
life and in most cases it does pan out. But you can get super
unlucky for whatever reason.
40acres - 3 hours ago
26 year old Intel employee here. Totally get where you're coming
from but would like to mention that Intel is a gigantic company.
I know 20+ year vets who have had 3-4 different careers here.
From the comments floating around in our internal network it
seems like Paul had a pretty dynamic career.My biggest concern is
folks dying soon after retirement. It's pretty scary to envision
working for 40+ years and not be able to enjoy retirement.
dnautics - 5 hours ago
my dad worked for the federal government. The federal government
harassed him in the workplace for being a whistleblower. He sued
the federal government. The stress of the lawsuit deteriorated
his health. He died one year after retiring.
raugustinus - 4 hours ago
Sorry for your loss. But at least he cleared his conscience.
Sorry he had to go through the stress as well. It might take
decades, but they will reap what they sow.
dnautics - 3 hours ago
Honestly, I doubt that they will reap what they sow. I
repeatedly told him to give up on the case specifically for
the reason, so he should have known what he was getting into.
I'm also not terribly sad at his death, I think it's just my
personality. Thank you for your consideration.
micah94 - 5 hours ago
This terrifies me.
tbrooks - 5 hours ago
Which part is terrifying?Working at the same company for a long
duration? Or dying soon after retiring?
madamelic - 5 hours ago
All of it.The idea of (seemingly) having never explored other
places. He graduated and immediately joined Intel and never
left.Maybe he was happy-as-a-clam there but spending your
entire adult life having (seemingly) never taken a risk.There
is obviously a lot of assumption and judgement to this though.
cortesoft - 4 hours ago
What is so great about taking a risk when you are already
happy? What would you gain?You should only take a risk when
the gain is worth it; if you already have what you want, the
gain is not worth it.Also, changing jobs is just one type of
risk you can take. Maybe his steady work was his foundation
for taking other risks in other parts of his life.
irrational - 25 minutes ago
You gain stress! Oh wait...
SCHiM - 4 hours ago
Is happiness the ultimate pursuit in life?Many philosophers
thought so, but there are other pursuits. The philosophy of
virtue (not in the biblical sense) describes one such
alternative. The teachings of the virtue ethics can be
perceived to mean that your pursuit should be mastery of
any one (or number) of subject(s) and/or character traits.
Mastery would be the perfect marriage between effort,
preparation and result (or in the case of ethics, the
perfect life in balance, cultivating the good in you).There
are as many reasons to do things as there are people do do
them ;)
cortesoft - 2 hours ago
Happiness was simply a proxy for whatever your intrinsic
goals in life are; unless risk itself is your intrinsic
goal, the goal itself doesn't change my argument.
mfoy_ - 4 hours ago
He joined out of school then climbed to CEO. That's damned
impressive.It would take commitment, grit, skill, and so much
more to do that. It's not like he was a mindless pencil
pusher in the same dead-end job his whole life.
apohn - 4 hours ago
>Maybe he was happy-as-a-clam there but spending your entire
adult life having (seemingly) never taken a risk.If he was
able to climb the ladder to become the CEO, he probably took
some very big risks and had a very big target on his back.
The risks are just different from moving from one company to
another.I've worked at different large companies and met
plenty of people who only did exactly what was asked for
them. They barely took any risks. Every few years they got
a standard promotion as per HR policy, but ultimately their
career trajectory stalled. There's nothing wrong with that,
but somebody who can climb to be a CEO of a company like
Intel surely took some risks and did something to stand out?
sillysaurus3 - 5 hours ago
I share your concerns, but it's easy not to do that: we have
unparalleled freedom to switch companies nowadays.
theandrewbailey - 4 hours ago
Intel has made some risky moves and bad bets since he became
an executive (1990?), and even further back when he was
hired. Pentium 4, XScale, and Itanium come to my mind.Intel
hasn't been a tiny start up for decades. You can do many
different things inside a large company that is in so many
markets. Just because someone stays at the same company for
their entire career doesn't mean that they were riding the
gravy train the entire time.
jronsomers - 4 hours ago
You're hitting the nail on the head here. When I interned
at Intel, they constantly said that even if you aren't
happy in your current role once you are full time, you can
always transfer teams and do something wildly different
since the company is so large. So you can effectively 'job
hop', but within the same company.
antisthenes - 4 hours ago
This is just unsubstantiated FOMO.You'll grow out of it once
you hit 30.
tbrooks - 4 hours ago
Different strokes for different folks.I hope to work at the
same company for the rest of my life, raise my kids, vacation
regularly with my wife, then die. I would be completely
content with a 'boring' life.
irrational - 26 minutes ago
I'm the same. Take risks? No thanks. Give me boring any
day. The last time we took the kids to Disneyland I
realized that I'm more of a Jungle Cruise kind of guy than
that Indiana Jones ride.
geoffreyhale - 4 hours ago
In our 20s, we tend to value newness/variety more highly.
Decades later, we tend to value impact/legacy more highly.
noobermin - 4 hours ago
And if anything, he has solidified that to a greater degree
than most people in SV burning through start-ups and VC money
will anyway.
apohn - 5 hours ago
Let me restate this a different way.Imagine having multiple jobs
where you are recognized and have the type of impact that
transforms the entire world. In this case all of that happened
at one company. He probably had enough money to retire well
before the time he did, so I assume he enjoyed something about
working there? So maybe he didn't feel bad he only had 4 years
of retirement?
adventured - 4 hours ago
> So maybe he didn't feel bad he only had 4 years of
retirement?He had a family, including children. Maybe that
pointless speculation isn't appropriate either direction.
i_cant_speel - 4 hours ago
The person you responded to isn't saying he would have been
fine with dying today. They're saying that working at Intel
his entire life isn't something that he was likely bothered
by. If he wanted to retire or change companies, he had many
opportunities to do so.
adventured - 3 hours ago
I didn't say that's what the parent was saying. Comically
you're misconstruing what I think the parent said.I said,
very clearly, that speculating on whether Paul would be ok
with just having four years of retirement, is pointless
speculation and impolite - or worse - toward the family he
left behind. It is. A few seconds of thinking in empathy
first, would prevent the entire discussion over what Paul
may or may not have been interested in. Frankly, I don't
even like having to explain the obviousness of how crude
this conversation is.To be clear, it's not an issue of
whether discussing retirement matters in general in this
thread is obnoxious. It's about speculating on Paul's
specific choices or preferences. That is obnoxious.
jamiek88 - 2 hours ago
In your opinion.It's not like there is some societal
taboo being broken here.The trade off between obsessive,
90 hour work weeks that make a CEO, and living for four
fucking years afterwards is a discussion worth having.Was
it worth it? Do the family think it was worth it?
jononor - 3 hours ago
Don't plan to live your life when you retire. You will spend the
majority of your life working, so better make sure you find
something you enjoy. Live today.
mc32 - 5 hours ago
That presumes that he didn't enjoy and didnt find satisfaction in
going to work and contributing to computing.There are many
retirees who enjoy their emeritus status so they can continue
"work".
Scarblac - 3 hours ago
As a cynical 43 year old: that wouldn't happen to me, age of
retiring in my country is 67 and rising...
ksec - 5 hours ago
That is if working literally means; working.Steve Jobs died soon
after he retired. And working at (nearly) the same company /
dreams his entire adult life. Or more like he was forced to
retire due to his health.But Apple Park. As if He wasn't gonna
let death get in the way of his Dream.From reading books and
listening to his talks he gave on life, I am sure he didn't
regret it one bit.?I have looked in the mirror every morning and
asked myself: "If today were the last day of my life, would I
want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer
has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change
something.? - Steve Jobs.
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SmellTheGlove - 3 hours ago
> ?I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself:
"If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what
I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No"
for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.?
- Steve Jobs.I agree with the sentiment, but it's also very
easy for someone as financially secure as Jobs to make that
call.
valuearb - 2 hours ago
Jobs didn't retire, he was dying of cancer and passed on the
CEO role to Tim Cook 2 months before he died.
narendraj9 - 3 hours ago
Retirement is not the only time one lives a life.
pcunite - 4 hours ago
66 is way too young! Know your place in this life, so that
ultimately you are ready at any age.youarehere.place
exacube - 4 hours ago
Couldn't have guessed from this comment/URL that it would be
about finding/accepting jesus.
nkkollaw - 4 hours ago
I would say that that happens most of the times.Our society is
based on work, that's why you should try to get a good one.
tabeth - 5 hours ago
99.99% of people on this site will die and their employers won't
care at all (whether they should or not is another story). I'd
say if he worked hard and long enough to get recognition he was
probably pretty happy with what he did and/or the outcome of his
efforts.
craftyguy - 3 hours ago
> 99.99% of people on this site will dieI'd say that it's
probably closer to 100% of us will die.
gigatexal - 4 hours ago
Sure. Depends though where you work: at my firm, a publicly
traded healthcare services company, when the last person passed
away it was a big deal and everyone knew about it.
noobermin - 4 hours ago
Some people work on a farm for all their lives. Some people stay
at home with their kids and don't work. Some people tend to a
monastery and meditate all their days. And on and on and
on.Different things fulfill different people.
WalterBright - 4 hours ago
I enjoy my work and plan on working until I am no longer able to.
valuearb - 2 hours ago
I retired when I was 40 years old. It sucked. I'm much happier
now that I went back to work.
hbhakhra - 31 minutes ago
Sounds like an interesting story. Have you written about it
anywhere or would you care to elaborate here?
rayiner - 4 hours ago
The companies where people spent their careers aren?t like the
ones today where everyone job hops. You grew with the company,
and often, the company supported your growth because it was
expected that it would grow its talent in house. And you didn?t
give up 100% of your life to the company in a continuous sprint
trying to get to the big exit.My dad worked for the same company
for 25 years. He helped it grow and benefited from that growth by
moving up internally, and he had enough time left over to raise a
family. When he left at 60 to consult and start his own company,
it?s not like he?d spent the previous 25 years in a sprint with
nothing to show for it.
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koolba - 5 hours ago
Heartless? Up until quite recently, that was the norm.