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iOS 11 Safari will automatically strip AMP links from shared URLs
62 points by OberstKrueger
https://twitter.com/viticci/status/900396684844433409
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mratzloff - 14 minutes ago
Accelerated Mobile Pages, for those who are
curious.https://www.ampproject.org
mrmondo - 14 minutes ago
I absolutely support this move, I've been trying to rid myself of
AMP since it was released and this at least stops me from having to
clean up URLs when sharing them.
pcora - 5 minutes ago
Yes! Yes! 100 times yes! Thank you Apple!!I hate that amp crap!
It's the main reason for moving to ddg.
OtterCoder - 44 minutes ago
Thank heavens. Google's efforts to 'improve' the web have been
disastrous. Like turning every list of facts into a pointless
ramble because Google needs 1000 words of 'rich content'. And Amp
being a push to hobble pages by making them into a proprietary
cache format instead of encouraging simpler HTML.
jrs95 - 40 minutes ago
I probably wouldn't have cared much if AMP pages weren't broken
or missing content so often, but anything that means less AMP
sounds good to me.
recursive - moments ago
I don't know much about the implementation details of AMP. But my
perspective as an end user is that it's pretty great. Non-amp
pages tend to take multiple seconds to get interactive, and then
the content jumps around as images and ads and fonts load. AMP
tends to be usable in under half a second.
Sargos - 25 minutes ago
A lot of people are going to "cheer" this move but this is yet
another anti-web move that Apple has made without regard to
standards or how it will affect other areas of tech. Apple has a
clear record of flouting standardized technologies in Safari like
breaking iframe sizing in iOS mobile and not supporting many common
APIs and is very opaque about whether or not they even view the web
as a first class citizen. The code I work on almost has as many
Safari hacks as we have IE hacks.If Apple would stick to just
making great hardware and products and follow the standards like
other vendors do then I feel like the whole tech world would be
better off.
zzzcpan - 6 minutes ago
If Google is the one pushing all those standards they are
"standards" only on paper and no longer serve as standards.
eveningcoffee - 1 minutes ago
Only thing in my opinion that is anti-web here is Google with
AMP. AMP is anty-web - it is everything that web is not.
cylo - 23 minutes ago
I don't understand how you see AMP pages representing a standard
web? AMP represents the complete opposite of web standards and
anything to remove it from the web leaves us all better off.
madeofpalk - 2 minutes ago
Opposite of web standards? It's HTTP+HTML+JS+CSS. What part of
AMP isn't standards compliant?
Sargos - 21 minutes ago
Not AMP per se but just how Apple make sweeping changes by fiat
without soliciting feedback that affect how standard
technologies are used throughout the web. This is just another
move they've made that will force whole industries to adapt for
no reason other than Apple wanted to do it.
throwaway2048 - 17 minutes ago
While that can be a bad thing, in this specific case it is
curtailing a similar abusive overreach by google, and IMO a
good thing.You can use exactly the same arguement you made
against AMP, I don't see negating AMP as some great evil.
yladiz - 14 minutes ago
The only company that I know of that uses AMP is Google, and
they created it to consolidate control of content on their
platform to get people to get used to a specific UI provided
by Google. I can completely understand why Apple would want
to get rid of it -- it adds a Google UI to the article that
otherwise wouldn't have it and it isn't necessary to see the
content.
benmarten - 3 minutes ago
thats not true. amp is a collection of best practices to
speed up the web!
fredoliveira - 8 minutes ago
Do you know what AMP is? How it is used?In this case Apple is
literally helping you and publishers not get screwed. I think
you need to read up on AMP, because seeing the words
'standard technologies' and 'AMP' in the same comment in that
way is extremely awkward.
dragonwriter - 1 minutes ago
> In this case Apple is literally helping you and
publishers not get screwed.I'm not getting screwed by AMP,
and neither, AFAICT, are publishers.
SubiculumCode - 25 minutes ago
I detest AMP and everything it stands for. I'd like to see this in
Firefox.