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Apple Plans to Release a Cellular-Capable Watch to Break iPhone
56 points by calvin_chttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-04/apple-said-to...
pseudometa - 1 hours ago
There are plenty of instances where I might want directions while
I'm on a run, but there is no way I'm paying $10 a month to add the
device to my plan. Hopefully it is just shared data with my phone
plan. We'll see what the carriers do, but I think it will make or
break it for a lot of people.
tammer - 54 minutes ago
Oh how quickly we forget in the tech community. An internet-
focused phone was laughable with the data plans of 2006.
k-mcgrady - 12 minutes ago
Exactly. ?10 per month (no contract) was probably the average
spend then (for approx. 40mins calling and 300 SMS). Now I'm
paying ?60 per month for 2 years and it seems normal. An extra
?10 per month to use your plan with up to 3 devices will be the
norm in another couple of years.
dgacmu - 1 hours ago
If it ends up compatible with project fi, their extra data-only
device comes free (at $10/GB like the rest of the plan). Might
make this the first smart watch I've found appealing.
apocalyptic0n3 - 59 minutes ago
The problem with that is that it would have to be completely
decoupled from your phone since Project Fi only supports the
Pixel and Apple Watch only supports iOS.If you don't want the
watch to interact with your phone at all, then you would be
fine. But you'd presumably be losing quite a bit of
functionality by doing so.
jwilliams - 37 minutes ago
Project Fi works fine with Apple iOS Devices. You need a
Pixel/Nexus device to activate.I've got several Apple devices
on extra Project Fi SIM cards (including an iPhone). All work
fine. I've also tested on the primary SIM succesfully.
mmanfrin - 58 minutes ago
Irony is that while Fi is the only plan where this makes sense,
it's also the only plan you can't use with an iPhone.
brogrammernot - 1 hours ago
$10/month to no longer need my phone for map my run and Spotify?
That's worth $120/yr to me
rrdharan - 46 minutes ago
I'm embarrassed to admit how much I'd actually pay for this,
but suffice it to say I'd consider $120/year a bargain.
agumonkey - 44 minutes ago
I would even think about that kind of offers.. I actually don't
care about youtube, but GPS and music .. reflects
Animats - 12 minutes ago
Battery life. That's going to be the limitation.
kylec - 1 hours ago
Maybe if Apple wins their fight with Qualcomm we'll start seeing
cellular connectivity in more of their products. I personally have
no interest in a cellular-capable Apple Watch, but I would be very
interested in a cellular-capable MacBook.
leggomylibro - 12 minutes ago
It's amazing how hard it is to find a workable cellular SoC.
Wifi? ESP8266s are $2-4 a pop and the Pi Zero W is $10 if you can
actually find one. Bluetooth? An NRF51822 will only set you back
$3-5, and it has a nice and simple Cortex-M0+ for the logic. And
the ESP32 has wifi and bluetooth on the same module. GSM? It's
being phased out worldwide so modules are being offloaded very
cheaply, if your project doesn't need to be connected for long
into the future.But 3G/LTE? It's easier to find an HDMI receiver
that'll process HDCP. Nevermind something hand-solderable...
amiga-workbench - 46 minutes ago
They had a 3G macbook prototype years ago, never went with it.The
integrated 3G & GPS in my ThinkPad is very convenient.
MBCook - 1 hours ago
I love my S2, but I have a hard time seeing why I should pay the
cell phone company $120/yr to connect my watch. I don't go without
my phone and I don't think this would change that.For people who
want to run and listen to Spotify this may be great.But that stupid
cell company fee will keep me away. Just like it keeps me off
gkanapathy - 1 hours ago
If this happens, it seems likely that Apple would work out a
special plan or add-on with the carriers just for this.
JustSomeNobody - 32 minutes ago
Yep, a single exclusive provider. Because that tends to be the
norm with tech companies who have to deal with cell companies.
X-Istence - 19 minutes ago
On the iPad they have the ability to create virtual SIM's and
you can select from a list of providers, including one-time
payments to activate an account for X amount of data.Apple
could move to something like Google's Fi easily with the
virtual sim capabilities...
ubernostrum - 18 minutes ago
I know Amazon originally used only Sprint for the Kindle
cellular connectivity; has that changed?
Filligree - 1 hours ago
Some cellular companies allow you to get multiple SIMs,
specifically for this purpose.Maybe it isn't an option in your
area, but a lot of people do have the option.
MBCook - 1 hours ago
I've never heard of that, but I'm in the US with Verizon and
fully trust they'll either want $10/mo (because it's a device)
or $20/mo (if it can make phone calls).Because they're nice
rodonn - 26 minutes ago
Google's project Fi is great about letting you get extra data
only sim cards for free.
digi_owl - 1 hours ago
Well Verizon is a special kind of "evil" from what i can
tell.In most places that's not as balkanized as the US
carrier market, you basically get multiple SIMs for your plan
and that's it. Nobody gets to question what kind of device
you put those SIMs into.
ISL - 42 minutes ago
On Ting, each device is $6/mo.
keymone - 1 hours ago
What if it could pair with air pods and function as a proper
aetherson - 17 minutes ago
It might function as a proper phone, but it can't function as a
proper smartphone, because you need a real screen for that.
teilo - 1 hours ago
No one will be paying that for cellular connectivity. It's all
about the shared data pools now. I pay $10/mo. for my iPad Pro
cellular. I'm on T-Mobile, but when I was on Verizon, it was only
$15/mo.I have a friend with a cellular Samsung watch. He pays an
MBCook - 1 hours ago
$10/mo is $120/yr to get access to the shared pool. That's the
exact plan available for my iPad.And for extra cheapskate-ness
you don't event get one extra GB when you do that. Pay more for
less.I didn't know watches were less. I can't find anything on
Verizon's site (from a quick glance) that mentions them, only
that "tablets and hotspots" are $10/mo.Even at $60 I don't
think I'd do it. I might for my iPad, but not my watch.
wlesieutre - 1 hours ago
And what's the initial plan cost to get that shared data
pool?I pay $30/5GB (then throttled unlimited), so if I have
to switch to a $50/month plan for a shared pool and add
another $10 for a second device, then we're up to $360/year.
johnvega - 10 minutes ago
I have google project fi cellular service, extra sim card for
my 2nd device with no extra charge
user219294 - 49 minutes ago
If you could make calls, respond to messages (any platform), play
music from a major music service, and stay up-to-date with the most
important notifications, you could basically untether yourself from
your phone completely. This would be a real game-changer from a
personal health standpoint. People are losing their minds with the
current smartphone pandemic. I, personally, would welcome this
change. It seems like an easier path toward device freedom. Since
you wear it, it would feel like you've freed yourself from a screen
(for the most part).
jamesjyu - 3 minutes ago
This would be pretty cool. I've started the habit of bringing a
book (yes, paper!) to places to read. But, I still need to have
my phone with me, in case of emergency calls or urgent messages.
If the watch can do that, it'd basically act like a dumb phone
with just enough capabilities to make me leave the phone at home.
thefalcon - 5 minutes ago
An Apple Watch as a kind of iPhone Lite, not supplementing your
phone but actually replacing it, could be an attractive option for
a lot of people. Most of my extended family members don't use any
apps, don't use their phones for e-mail. They do use the camera
though, so that alone might be enough to keep them from switching.
mtgx - 35 minutes ago
Thus making carriers even stronger.
malchow - 34 minutes ago
Probably free data as long as you have an Apple Music sub, or
something like that.
jostmey - 26 minutes ago
This is the only way I would buy one