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113 points by danialhttps://thehub.amazon.com/
ikeboy - 28 minutes ago
I'm hopeful this will improve deliverability - amazon sellers have
noticed recently an increase in items returned because "shipping
address undeliverable", and amazon forces us to eat the shipping
cost - often on items delivered by Amazon themselves (amazon
Spooky23 - 11 minutes ago
Of course, they're pushing the costs down to crappy vendors and
contract people or stuffing packages for USPS to deliver using a
loophole where USPS loses $2/box.The post office is hiring people
at $11/hr and working them 60 hours a week until they flame out.
ikeboy - 1 minutes ago
I've seen the op eds claiming a loophole, written by a large
FedEx investor. I also read the response and I wasn't convinced
that the USPS is losing money.
sumitgt - 58 minutes ago
My apartment uses LuxerOne (https://app.luxerone.com), and it is
the best amenity IMO.One problem of Amazon Hub v/s LuxerOne is that
I don't think Amazon Hub will work with packages from other
Nition - 56 minutes ago
The website says it does.
CobrastanJorji - 56 minutes ago
Website seems to claim it accepts packages from "any sender, any
DaveMebs - 56 minutes ago
It clearly states on the site & video that this will accept
packages from all carriers.
dave5104 - 56 minutes ago
"Accepting deliveries from all carriers, Hub by Amazon can free
you and your staff from daily package management."
Nition - 53 minutes ago
I'd be possible to honestly say you accept deliveries from any
carrier and still require the seller to be Amazon.But anyway
the video says "any retailer", so that's not the case.
byoung2 - 44 minutes ago
But anyway the video says "any retailer", so that's not the
caseThe video says "any sender" so it could be a private
party sending you something as well.
Mizza - 55 minutes ago
I have one of these in my building. The result is that there is
always a giant pile of packages surrounding the lockers. I talked
to the delivery people about why, they said the the buttons are
too hard to push, so they just leave the packages laying around
and nobody really minds anyway, so it's not worth their time.
rabbidruster - 52 minutes ago
The video says receive packages from anyone, so sounds like it
might be a direct competitor to luxerone.
Analemma_ - 48 minutes ago
Mine uses MyParcelPending, which seems to be the same
thing.Amusingly, LuxerOne, MyParcelPending and this Amazon thing
all seem to be using the same device, so this is either very
convergent evolution or there's just one Chinese whitebox
manufacturer for these lockers and everyone just slaps their logo
ohyes - 41 minutes ago
I was noticing that too, all of these package lockers look
almost identical, with the same (easily identified) crappy
touch screen and qr scanner. It would be interesting to see
someone actually innovate in this field, but I'm curious what
that would look like.
radionick - 2 minutes ago
Luxer One uses an iPad for it's Touchscreen interface, and
front facing camera for QR scanning.
spelunker - 41 minutes ago
My apartment building has one of these. 24 hour access is nice
but like another user mentioned, often the packages just end up
in random places in the secure room and you have to go on a hunt
to find them.Not a huge deal, I guess.
vertex-four - 39 minutes ago
You're thinking of a private/residential Amazon Locker, which do
exist (there's one in the student halls near me). I suspect that
Amazon install them for free if there's enough people likely to
use it. Amazon Hub is a different product.
pkamb - 29 minutes ago
> Luxer One solves 100% of apartment's package problemsAm I wrong
or does their main headline have some serious singular/plural
clvcooke - 56 minutes ago
Looks like Amazon picked up the buffer box  idea. Such a shame
Google bought them and shut them down, it had such potential.
dannysu - 53 minutes ago
I thought BufferBox was a copy of Amazon Locker ? : https:
clvcooke - 45 minutes ago
Seems like they were launched around similar times (both came
out in 2011) so that a definite possibility. However from what
I know about Waterloo's design projects (as this was a final
year design project) this project was most likely started in
2010, so technically amazon's locker came out later. Although
who knows who copies who when things get released so close to
lampenrad - 16 minutes ago
DHL has been operating Packstationen in Germany since 2001:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packstation>There are 3,000
Packstation machines in Germany and 90 percent of the people
living in Germany were within ten minutes of a DHL
Packstation.There are also Paketboxen, which are smaller
installations for residential areas. The whole system works
pretty well for me. The one big downside is, that it only works
with DHL/Deutsche Post parcel. They are the dominant player here,
but sometimes delivery by them is not available.
prodmerc - 6 minutes ago
I lived briefly in Koln, my local DHL driver was a fucking
asshole. Driving by my home, marking me as "not home", not
leaving the notices and shit. It was always the same guy, I
literally saw him pass by me waiting for him, then checking the
delivery status it was marked as "undeliverable" or "recipient
not home". What a fucking dickhead.The DHL member card allowed
me to send packages to the nearest post office or a
Packstation. I just used the former. The cunt actually tried to
tell me it was for German citizens only, I told him to give me
the fucking package (containing the membership card) and get
lost. Turkish piece of shit.
neptunespear - 40 minutes ago
I did some digging in the /r/uwaterloo subreddit and it turns out
that some customers were getting packages at no cost. Perhaps it
wasn't financially viable.
revelation - 56 minutes ago
Looks like a Packstation:http://www.dpdhl.com/de/presse/mediathek/f
otos/dhl_packstati...They are nice, but it's a bit of a trade-off:
50% chance there is an empty opening in the station, 50% chance
it's full and they dump the packet at some service center miles
away where you stand in line for half an hour and get your package
woodpanel - 42 minutes ago
Been using Packstation for 10 years or so. What an improvement in
quality of life. Even more than receiving packages the part of
sending packages has profited even more. And if a package does
get rerouted to another station I just remind myself of how much
I rather drive 5 additional minutes with my car, than to wait 30
min in line at the postoffice (which has to happen during working
hours anyways). Yikes.
janfoeh - 23 minutes ago
Well, that's what happens to me 6/10 times. I have six
Packstations within five driving minutes around me, yet as soon
as the one I've addressed my package to was full on delivery,
DHL insists on returning it to a parcel hub in an industrial
area way out in the wilderness. Which closes 18:00 on weekdays,
and on 13:00 on Saturdays.And don't get me started on their new
"Wunschpaket" service for redirecting deliveries in transit...
ohyes - 55 minutes ago
I had something like this at an apartment I lived in, it was called
'package concierge.'It was mostly nice, but where I lived there
were issues with execution of the idea. At peak times (holidays)
the package robot would get full, because people wouldn't pick up
their stuff in a timely manner.The package robot also had to be
loaded by an employee of the building... until then the package
hung out in the mail room like normal, but you could only get your
package from the package robot... so if the package showed up and
no one was around to load the robot, or was slacking off on loading
the robot, it actually took longer to get your stuff.When it
worked, however, it was good to be able to pick up your package
when you got home from work at midnight without having to talk to
anyone or sign anything. Also getting notified via email that you
had something waiting was nice.
tapmap - 21 minutes ago
Isn't there a startup out there that will pick up your packages for
you when you're out? Or will allow your neighbour to pick them up?
erickhill - 21 minutes ago
I wish my office's building was able to support one of these. Our
neighborhood USPS will often swing by after the office doors lock.
They will say things like "unable to deliver" but never deliver
during office hours. When you buy from Amazon, you never know if
UPS (never a problem) or USPS is going to be the deliverer. It
makes Prime shipping nearly worthless for many of us.But we don't
own this building, and at least right now I can't imagine where one
of these things might go.
felipesabino - 53 minutes ago
[off-topic] Anyone else really annoyed by the buggy scroll making
the page jump up and down?
nightski - 53 minutes ago
Wow that looks like an example of over engineering if I have ever
seen one. USPS has been using a simple key system for ages.
lotyrin - 5 minutes ago
Yes, except only USPS can deliver to the key boxes installed on
my property currently.
Godel_unicode - 37 minutes ago
This allows oversubscription. With keys everyone needs their own
box large enough to hold any parcel they might receive (recall
that Amazon sells bass guitars and jumbo packs of toilet paper)
anindha - 25 minutes ago
My old had a place with keys. If you got a package they would
lock it in the package mailbox and leave the key in your
personal mailbox.I think that is what above comment is
referring to. It is nice having a notification, so don't
believe its over engineering.
Spooky23 - 7 minutes ago
I rented a PO Box for years. They have big parcel lockers and
the the key in your box, once you open the parcel box, you
cannot remove the key.
polskibus - 51 minutes ago
Been using InPost Paczkomaty for ages.
helped bring down the cost of deliveries at the same time improved
convenience of online shopping when DHL,etc. always wanted to come
to your flat when you were at work
BartSaM - 48 minutes ago
Paczkomaty is one of the best revolutions in the post delivery
industry. So convenient.
AnssiH - 5 minutes ago
Finnish Posti also started installing those in 2011, now they
have ~500 of them (~1 per 11000 pop).They've also recently
started installing similar machines to apartment buildings
(somewhat similar to OP Amazon things I guess).
GFischer - 33 minutes ago
I think those are a great idea, I hope they come to my country
FRex - 29 minutes ago
I was about to mention these.
veridies - 18 minutes ago
This morning, an Amazon deliveryman walked a few steps toward my
house, threw a package about fifteen feet to the door (denting the
case inside), and then walked back to his van. I still can't find a
specific way to complain about the delivery. Forgive me if I'm not
excited about Amazon building their own private mailboxes, but I
don't think they have any real understanding of their own
jsjohnst - 7 minutes ago
Amazon tries to make it hard to find this, so it's top of my
cargo8 - 49 minutes ago
Is this just Amazon Locker rebranded?
e40 - 47 minutes ago
I'm pretty sure it is.
byoung2 - 43 minutes ago
But accepting packages from any sender, not just Amazon orders
cargo8 - 20 minutes ago
Ah cool, thanks missed that. So it's an Amazon branded PO Box
orliesaurus - 48 minutes ago
What's next? Amazon Buses to get you to work?
e40 - 48 minutes ago
Not new, and I tried to use it several times, and the boxes at the
7-11 near my house are never free.
paulcole - 42 minutes ago
They could OCR all the return addresses and figure out who's buying
what and target ads accordingly. They could also x-ray all the
packages for even more insight into consumer behavior. And if a
package is coming from a competitor, offer the recipient the option
to receive an Amazon gift card in exchange for refusing delivery
and returning to sender. Or just paste Amazon ads all over every
package in the Hub. Yes I work in marketing why do you ask.
Balgair - 36 minutes ago
Oh wow, I guess the company at my old Apt complex got bought out.
Those racks are the exact same.Still, those were terrible ideas.
FedEx, USPS, and UPS all just dropped the boxes off on our door.
The others made us use those machines. It wasn't too bad to go down
and get the packages. Oh wait, then you forgot your phone and had
to go all the way back up to get it to get the unlock codes off of
your email. Then you had to be certain that your email would not
send the code email into spam, so that sucked.But if you were out
of town or on vacation or just stressed from work or had a spam
email mis-identification then it was a spawn worse than Satan. The
system started to charge you, like 5$/day or something, for non-
picked-up packages after like day 3. Guess who got a nasty
surcharge after spending a month away for work and no email to tell
me that things would get surcharged? Yeah, 150$ for some random
thing my sister sent me unannounced was not a lot of fun.And no,
the apt complex signed onto this AFTER we moved in and with no
notice on the lease or an update to us. I did get the complex to
pay that crazy fee after storming in one morning and yelling a lot.
Idiots.As long as there is no charge for packages that don't get
picked up and no 'max time' it can sit in a robo-bin, these things
work great. If there is any charge at all, in any way whatsoever,
avoid them like the plague, they are horrible.
daheza - 21 minutes ago
Same deal at my current apartment. This fills up super quick then
they just leave packages the packages on the ground outside.
usaphp - 20 minutes ago
> Oh wait, then you forgot your phone and had to go all the way
backI can hardly remember the last time I went somewhere without
joeyaiello - 4 minutes ago
Even just to go to your mailbox? I routinely walk in the door
from work, change into some more comfortable clothes (which may
or may not have pockets), and then grab keys to go get my mail.
I'd say I don't have my phone most of the time I do that.
arxpoetica - 35 minutes ago
Something like this for international shipments would be awesome.
2_listerine_pls - 33 minutes ago
I hate Amazon. These guys want to control every aspect of the
netinstructions - 1 hours ago
Was kind of hoping this is something individual home owners could
install near the front door so packages aren't left on the steps.If
you fill out the form it asks what kind of property you have, and
single family homes is an option, but then it says "your property
does not meet our requirements at this time." I wonder if enough
people select that though...
dave5104 - 57 minutes ago
This looks more like a competitor to someone like Package
chadcatlett - 38 minutes ago
I'm not sure if we just got a unit plagued with issues, but the
Package Concierge my apartment complex had installed has has
been offline more than it has been online. It's constantly
janfoeh - 13 minutes ago
There are a couple of interesting alternatives available here in
Germany:1. lockboxes or cut-resistant package containers which
are clamped to your apartment door and can be opened with a PIN,
such as these https://www.paketbutler.com/ or these
https://www.paksafe.de/2. the DB train network is installing
delivery boxes on train stations and subway stations, including
refrigerated ones for food deliveries3. Smart cars (the cars most
Americans seem to hate) can be outfitted with a small module that
allows delivery services to access the trunk, turning them into
mobile delivery boxes
bootlooped - 44 minutes ago
You could easily just DIY a self-locking box, if it was just for
your own home use.
joezydeco - 1 hours ago
There's always the Amazon Locker option for that.https://www.amaz
on.com/b/ref=amb_link_366591722_2?_encoding=...This seems more
targeted at apartment/condo buildings that have been wrestling
with the mountain of Prime packages that show up daily and are
either stolen or managed by a building superintendent that
doesn't want to deal with them anymore.
stephengillie - 57 minutes ago
A few apartment buildings have their own, exclusive, Amazon
Locker. Other apartments have general "large package" lockers
at their mail boxes. This seems to be the next step to merge
these ideas, giving landlords an Amazon-specific large package
ericras - 39 minutes ago
Doesn't the building superintendent still have to load this
thing? The delivery driver/postal carrier isn't going to do it,
justicezyx - 1 hours ago
Amazon is reinventing the whole daily retailing experience piece by
piece.There does not seem anyone on the market now can be a
meaningful competitor at all. The close-loop virtuous cycle now
extends to a degree that probably only Alibaba can rival (in
China).I don't think this is Bezos' original vision, but Amazon
grows to a point such ideas just come out naturally.The resistance
seems futile now, all retailers should consider how to operate in
the model created by Amazon.
whowouldathunk - 58 minutes ago
I'm pretty sure the same was said about Wal-mart before Amazon
justicezyx - 51 minutes ago
Yes, many winning companies have received such compliments
skellera - 32 minutes ago
The difference with Amazon is that they keep innovating which
is something WalMart didn't keep doing. Amazon pours money
back into the company. As long as they keep doing that, I
don't mind that they lead. When they stop, someone else will
Spooky23 - 10 minutes ago
The real difference with Amazon is that they have this
captivating story that allows them to not make money. The
whole enterprise is very fragile.
43224gg252 - 1 hours ago
So... a mailbox?
jdubs - 57 minutes ago
Eventually a mailbox with an ip address?
tj-teej - 52 minutes ago
Sending emails over POP
ryandrake - 3 minutes ago
And then 2 hours later, mailbox botnets?
jotux - 31 minutes ago
Introducing Amazon Chest? -- A specialty smart container that
allows letters and packages to be delivered right to the front of
your home. Carriers simply place packages in the receptacle and
an app on your phone notifies you that a package or letter has
maxxxxx - 27 minutes ago
Sounds pretty disruptive and innovative to me!!!
madamelic - 1 hours ago
I am kind of waiting for the day Amazon gets hit with an anti-trust
or something.Amazon is nice, but a bit tired of Amazon's attempt to
collect everyone's data about everything.
Nition - 59 minutes ago
"You can pick up any package" says the video while showing a whole
sequence of packages of roughly the same dimensions.
FRex - 26 minutes ago
Yes, any. Just like 2 + 2 equals 5 for large values of 2.Coming
soon, from the same company that brought you the ability to buy