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Cjdns v20 Release
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mike-cardwell - 44 minutes ago
Is there a Debian apt repo for cjdns yet? I used cjdns for a while,
but it was annoying having a separate procedure for updating it
when everything else on my system just required an apt-get dist-
upgrade, so I stopped using it.
DonbunEf7 - 8 minutes ago
This still feels like wandering in the wilderness compared to stuff
like batman-adv or tinc, both of which are very precise and
succinct about network and protocol design.Has the cryptography
been audited yet? I seem to remember that that was something big
coming up Real Soon Now.
evgen - 2 hours ago
It is always amusing when various "debcentralise the X" efforts
learn the same hard lessons over and over, namely that when
compared to centralised equivalents, decentralisation is more
complicated, more difficult to debug and verify correctness, and
always more expensive.
copperx - 2 hours ago
Except for "decentralize the source code repository," which makes
source code easier to manage.
homarp - 1 hours ago
do you consider github decentralized ?
jstanley - 37 minutes ago
It's less centralised than using SVN on sourceforge.
the8472 - 2 hours ago
Once you factor in the effort to build the entity that backs a
centralized infrastucture and the way they acquire their power to
enforce centralization it suddenly becomes a lot more complicated
too.And BGP is far from ideal too.
jstanley - 1 hours ago
So what's your answer? Hand over all control to the Microsofts,
Apples, and Googles of the world? Become a cog in their machine,
just because freeing ourselves from their machine is hard? No
thanks.People probably laughed at the efforts of those trying to
overthrow monarchs and dictators, and instate democracy. And that
was hard too, but it doesn't mean it wasn't worthwhile.
ChristianBundy - 1 hours ago
Decentralization is futile** Except in all the places where
it's succeeded and vastly improved the world.
evgen - 55 minutes ago
Can you name an example where complete decentralisation
succeeded? In most cases, fully decntralized systems were
developed for a small, closed network of agents and then when
they failed to scale well the architects were forced to
introduce mid-tier centralisation points to assist
coordination and make the system more efficient.
jstanley - 50 minutes ago
Decentralisation isn't a binary succeed/fail, it's a
direction to head towards. Increasing decentralisation
incrementally is nearly always a win.The web, git, bitcoin,
email. They are all incremental improvements on more-